Thursday 26 November 2009

La Mala Education

Education is very much on the agenda at the moment. Teachers have been on strike and there is an election next month. As I understand it, the teachers are angry because of a reneged agreement for pay increases dating back more than a decade. To be fair, education is pretty much on the agenda all year round. If the teachers aren't on strike, the students are. That's right, the students!! Striking is popular here. It generally consists of making a whole load of noise and breaking stuff.


If you work for a language school here in Santiago, quite often the students are there at their employers' behest. That's right, their bosses pay for them to be taught English. Sweet. You would think!

Rather than seizing this golden opportunity to possess the two most important languages in the world and thus increasing their employability and promotion prospects, they see it as a chore. Chilean employees generally do what their boss says, but only by expending the minimum effort required. They transfer this trait to the classroom (and all facets of life to be frank.) That's why it is such a joy to get your own private students.

A Gringo sets himself up for brickbats when he criticises the standard of education in a second world country. One only has to walk around the
comunas to see all the 'universities' on offer. Also, students in secondary schools encounter a huge variety of subjects before being released onto the unsuspecting world. The Chilean government offers scholarships to study English and to embark on further education abroad. There seems to be a great appetite for learning. Bus shelters, billboards, metro displays are inundated with adverts for universities. I'm not saying that the ubiquitous nature of such adverts suggests that everyone has the same opportunity to avail of them. They probably don't, but it's not totally out of reach.

People blame their social standing for the lack of opportunities and thus the quality of education available to them. This may be true.
Social class in Chile is a big issue. People don't care what your qualifications are but rather about where you studied. For example the 'C' in my CELTA qualification stands for Cambridge, as in Cambridge University. Students are fascinated by this. I have never set foot on a single Cambridge University campus.

Many people here study at night university. It seems to be the way to go. Work during the day and go to school at night. I, myself am a product of a similar system. Going to university here is a time consuming process. Degrees here take longer to get than in the first world. There are a couple of reasons for this. Universities are privately owned and the bottom line is all important. Keeping your students for a couple of semesters longer fills the coffers. Also, Chileans are quite slow and über-lazy, they don't cachai too readily. You would then, expect graduates to be a little sharper having had this extra year. They're not.

The one paradox in the whole situation is the amount of tax levied on reading materials by the 'socialist' government. This is not an obstacle however. For a very reasonable fee you can completely disregard copyright law and have a book copied at a Max Huber.

So, there's lots of education and lots of students. Why then, do we not have a country full of whizz kids? The answer lies in the teaching methods employed all the way through to the tertiary level.
Students are not taught in Chile, they are given information. It's a sad but very true fact of life here. For example if I write something on the board in class, it's immediately jotted down for fear of missing something vital that can learnt by rote. I learnt quickly not to write too much on the board.

This methodology does not allow children to experience any tacit learning. From the day you are born to your mid to late teens, a person acquires 95% of the life skills required to see out the final three quarters of their life. The three main players involved are the parents (or guardians), teachers and the individuals themselves.

You cannot sit a child down and teach them common sense. There are just too many permutations of the possible situations that could occur. As a parent, you guide them. You show them things that nobody else can or will. I remember my dad showing me how to change a tyre when I was eight. Obviously I wasn't strong enough to do it but as he did, I observed. 'If you ever remember one thing in life....', he started most of his 'grasshoppa' lessons with this phrase, '...remember to loosen the wheel nuts before you jack up the car.' He didn't just tell me this, he showed me why it was necessary. (Keeping the car on the ground stops the wheel from spinning.)

 Lesson learnt: think things through.

You cannot just sit a teenager down and take him through the steps of Pythagoras' theorem and leave it at that. You extract knowledge already known and build upon it. Perhaps a little refresher on the properties of a triangle is required, but overall you make it seem that the kid has done it himself.

Lesson learnt: use what you have to get more.

This latter example is just not used in schools here.



As TEFL teachers we try to use the communicative method. We try to encourage our students to constantly produce language. We move onto the next grammar point by building upon knowledge already acquired. We constantly recycle grammar and vocabulary. We test, teach, test. We pull out the pieces of the jigsaw from our students' head and throw a couple more in. Sometimes they can fit them in, sometimes you need to turn the pieces the right way for them and sometimes you just go and stick that last bloody piece in for them.

This method of teaching is a revelation to the students. Uninitiated students expect you to come to class, draw a line down the middle of the board and use one side for English and one side for Spanish.
I exaggerate to make a point. Students are fully aware that the translation method is not used by English language schools here but this is how they were taught English at school.

There is a distinct lack of logic and 'thinking outside the box' mentality in the classroom. That, along with the dreaded fear of making a mistake in front of your peers, impedes their learning process. These flaws are conceived in early childhood. This lack of logic is nurtured in the classroom and it blossoms in adult life in the real world.
The by-products of this are a lack of consideration and basic tasks taking an age.


So, while I understand the reasons why Chileans are pretty stoopid, it doesn't alleviate the frustration I feel when they walk seven abreast at a snails pace or when they put the single box of matches I've just bought into a bag at the supermarket.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why don't you leave the country? You are infecting my country, GO HOME!!!!

Shark said...

I'm here to help.

Marmo said...

This surprises me. You are actually a teacher, or so it seems to me.
In Chile, in my opinion there are two main factors for the current state of education.
The 1st, is that to enter a university, you need to pass a test, called PSU, that everyone, at the end of secondary school must take. The idea is to measure every student of the same generation with the same instrument, and then, the higher scores get to choose the career they want, filling the entries of all the universities in the country. The problem starts with the teacher´s salary, which is below other professional choices.
As a result of the above, it´s usually those with the lowest PSU scores the ones that end up being teachers.
This way, many (not all) teachers in this country never really wanted
to be teachers to begin with, so they don´t really care about what they teach, as long as they get paid. (This explains to some extent that they start strikes, even if their students get screwed with their studies).
The 2nd, is that the current education system is based in a sort of "copy/paste" of the system aplied in Spain (if I´m not wrong), but here that system doesn´t work. It disrupts the parental contact , as the boy or girl spends a lot of time in school (not really learning), and just a little time with their parents. As a result, TV, Internet or other friends of the same age are the ones that transmit values to our young ones.
An ignorant crowd usually is less worried about politics, or their rights, but that´s another whole subject.
I think yours is a good post, and it´s interesting to read your opinion about the matter.

Shark said...

Yes, Marmo. I'm a teacher. Well, a TEFL teacher!

You mention something that has always fascinated me. In Santiago, why do I see so many kids, still in their school uniforms, still carrying their bags at 8 or 9 o'clock in the evening?

In my work, I only teach adults. It seems Chile has been suffering for a long time with regards to a poor education system.

The accessibility of grants and scholarships to study abroad suggests that the government recognises that there is a problem but would rather use the services of foreign education systems to bail them out.

Changing an education system is a mammoth task but I think it is quite manageable with Chile's relatively small population.

My main argument centred around how they teach the kids here rather than what they teach them. I don't think a university education is necessary for everybody but a decent primary and secondary one is.

And of course, the parents are a very important part of this chain. Unfortunately, if they are products of an inferior system then they won't be much use to their kids.

Emily said...

Interesting post, although I have a request: can the text please go back to being a bit bigger? It's tiny and hard to read now. Or you can let me read the whole post in Google Reader instead of just a snippet. Or you can ignore me, it's your blog after all.

Your mention of teaching methods is exactly why my fiancé no longer wants to be a history teacher. He loves coaching and the idea of teaching kids by getting them excited about all the more interactive (and memorable) teaching styles. Unfortunately, in order to be able to teach that way he would first have to spend two years studying pedagogía and being taught the rote, boring method, and then for the first several years of his professional career he would be evaluated on how well he stuck to those methods. A lot of his friends who also studied history are a year ahead of him, and from hearing them talk about their experiences he realized it just wasn't for him - several others have decided to leave the program as well. So because of the requirements, Chile is losing the chance to have these passionate teachers who would really shake things up.

As far as kids in uniform late at night, some schools offer morning sessions (standard 9-2 type hours) and afternoon sessions (3-8ish). I don't know how that affects what Marmo mentioned, since presumably parents are working in the mornings, and if the kids are at school in the evenings they're not getting as much family time.

lydia said...

Great points. I had never heard those stats about you learn 95% of life skills by your teens but it completely makes sense.

One of my major complaints with the Chilean education system relates to what you talk about, especially logic and thinking outside the box, and thought processing in general.. I think a lot of times students lack necessary problem solving skills in part because this authoritative, translate, memorize etc system used frequently here shoves in facts without focusing on the mental processes and skills used along the way. I've analyzed this often and even a couple times written about it, and from what I see it really puts a cap on creativity and problem solving.

One time I purchased something super tiny from the grocery store like a pack of gum and the guy bagged it for me, which i thought was absurd so i tested him to see how he would react if i requested him to double bag it (normally only done for quite heavy things). He glanced my way but didn't look especially puzzled. ... that reminded me of your closing line.

Shark said...

This is what I feared. The passion is there amongst the teachers but the state squeezes them out.

I get tired of the argument that the standard of education is proportionally related to the resources available to the school. This is often the excuse levied (but not by you or Marmo). It does play a part but a lot of it is down to the teaching methods.

I find it difficult to develop friendships with Chileans because of their inability to debate, argue and give opinions. Skills which are developed in your teens. It's very frustrating. I just find them really dull and insipid. Of course, I'm generalising, but that's how it seems to me.

It's a shame that your other half wants to quit something he likes.

You're right.....bigger font!

PlumFace said...

Um don't you mean the third and fourth 'most important' languages? Or don't you know about Mandarin and Urdu? Tough scene.

Annje said...

I think you make some interesting points, but I also think you are making some errors in interpretation too.

1) There are a lot of affective factors in language learning, I won't launch into a long explanation, but simply put, being asked to learn English, even when classes are paid for, can come with a lot of resentment towards imperialism, minimum effort is an expression of that.

2) Advertisements are not necessarily a sign that there is an appetite for learning, it means that the universities have an appetite for students that pay tuition.

3) Education in Chile, is absolutely class-based. If you don't have the money to go to a good colegio, chances are low that you will receive a high enough score on the prueba for admission, even if you could pay for Univ. For some people, it IS "totally out of reach."

4) The interest in study abroad is for the same reason the Cambridge in your title is "impressive"-- it carries its own "capital" and usually means you come with a second language--it doesn't necessarily mean that the gov't is more willing to pay for you to study abroad than invest in its own educational infrastructure.

5) If you go to a good university, your degree is the equivalent of something between a bachelor's and a master's. It takes a little longer, not because chileans are lazy (though they sometimes are), but because they get more out of their degrees. A bachelor's in the US is almost meaningless and does not mean that you are prepared for any kind of job. I don't know where you are from, but I am betting it is similar.

So they take notes in class... how stupid can they get??? really, that is part of your argument?

I think you and Lydia are right that the educational system and perhaps even the parental guidance leaves a bit to be desired in terms of independent thinking, logic, and problem solving perhaps... but if you have gone to a good high school in Chile, you will have a better understanding of math and science than most gringos and it will stick with you for longer. I am talking about basic understandings of the way things works, that my University students here in the US do not have, it is astounding.


I have met a lot of different kinds of chileans, some are absolutely brilliant and some are not so bright, but that is the case I am afraid in all countries.

And it is kind of silly to link walking 7-abreast and putting your small purchase in a bag to larger educational issues--as if those are really some of the consequences not getting a good enough education. Some of that just fits under that big "it's cultural" umbrella. Trying to avoid annoying some gringo on a mission to walk faster with fewer bags is not a matter of IQ.

And I would be interested to know where you got the 95% of life skills before the teen years info. I believe that abstract thinking, problem solving, understaning consequences come in the early twenties-- you are probably getting close to that age ;-) I wonder if empathy and tolerance comes in the twenties too...

Clearly, your annoyance with Chileans has clouded your judgement, I am annoyed by many things in Chile, but I think many of your criticisms are way off mark.

lydia said...

jajajaja annje- that second to last paragraph. (but you really think abstract thinking and problem solving come in the 20s? ouch).

I totally agree with you about having met some of the most brilliant (and not) people here and it's that way everywhere. Obviously in blogging generalizations are necessary though and the majority of Chileans are not able to afford the really good schools that often lead way to the many of them. One older friend I have told me at coffee today that she believes you are more likely to connect with people all over the world at your same level of education than you are to connect with someone from your same culture but a very different level of education. Very interesting.

Shark said...

PlumFace: While there are probably more Mandarin and Urdu speakers in the world, that doesn't make those languages the most important. In fact, those two languages would be quite a way down the list.

English is by far the most important and the second is debatable. In my opinion, it's Spanish.

Shark said...

Annje: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was trying to detach the class argument from how they teach kids here argument. (But Lydia got it)

My favourite thing that you said was: I won't launch into a long explanation !!! What's the long version of what you wrote?

I appreciate my students taking notes in class. My example was to demonstrate their habit of rote learning. I notice they usually only take notes when I write on the board and not when I speak.

And it is kind of silly to link walking 7-abreast and putting your small purchase in a bag to larger educational issues--as if those are really some of the consequences not getting a good enough education. Some of that just fits under that big "it's cultural" umbrella. Trying to avoid annoying some gringo on a mission to walk faster with fewer bags is not a matter of IQ.
You seem like an intelligent person and a worthy adversary. Please read again what I wrote. I linked the methodology of teaching, not what they were taught, to the lack of logic and consideration in Chilean society.

Clearly, your annoyance with Chileans has clouded your judgement, I am annoyed by many things in Chile, but I think many of your criticisms are way off mark.
In your opinion, perhaps. But, Annje. I'm here. You're not.

Juan Pablo said...

Let me first state that the following lines are without animosity. I agree with the coarse argument; quality of education in Chile is class-based, there's an historical problem (with its roots mainly in the Pinochet years), and also there are more Americans that think outside the box than they are Chileans (maybe even in population percentage). But most of these Americans don't patronize by thinking they're saving a third world country, well, through English teaching...
Meeting people that think outside the box is a real pleasure, and most of them have an interest in foreign country that goes beyond the "I'm here to help." Which bring me to the question of how do you position yourself in this whole matter, and what do you think is your contribution. You do what 90% of "gringos" that emigrate to Chile do: teach English. In your free time, you do what 90% of gringos do: write a blog. How's that thinking outside the box, and how do you pretend to help Chile? I ask because I might be missing something here...

Shark said...

Again, Juan Pablo, I don't think class or access to resources should affect to a great extent how kids are taught.

I fully accept the argument that many kids do not have the same opportunities as others. A problem not unique to Chile, by the way.

The problem that I raise crosses the boundaries of class. Children whether in Las Condes or Pudehuel are not taught correctly. They are not encouraged to think for themselves or debate.

I wouldn't call Chile a third world country. Second world at most.

I think I do make a contribution by what I do. I educate. I impart knowledge. It's a very gratifying job. When I'm not teaching I also show Chileans the errors of their ways usually by yelling at them!

My mission: Changing Chile, One Chilean At A Time.

Annje said...

Shark: please don't make the mistaken assumption that your argument is so flawlessly laid out that my reading comprehension skills must be at fault. I can hold my own and being patronizing doesn't improve the logic, or lack of it, of your ideas.

You should research language learning anxiety a little before jumping to the conclusion that Chileans are afraid to make mistakes because they can't "think outside the box". I am guessing you haven't taught adults in your own culture, because if you were to teach a foreign language to your own kind, so to speak, you would find the same anxiety and the same inability to recognize patterns despite the difference in teaching methodologies.

My point on the "silly linking", is that regardless of what "methodology" is utilized in Chilean education, I am fairly certain that the outcome is not going to be found in street-walking skills, because that is exactly what you are saying.

What is considered "considerate" or polite is cultural--blowing your nose in public, eating norms, or the distance you stand from someone, even the stupid reason they might bag your miniscule item. I am also annoyed by how chileans walk down the street, but I recognize that they are socialized differently and I would never assume it is because they are idiots resulting from an inferior teaching methodology. Judging the rest of the world thought your own cultural lens is pretty inconsiderate--didn't your parents teach you that? are they chilean, perhaps? (snicker)

And where you are versus where I am at the current moment has no bearing on my understanding of Chilean culture, or on yours apparently.

and the long explanation was for that specific point, I didn't say it would be a short comment ;-)

Juan Pablo said...

Shark: I thought that you were genuinely trying to debate by laying out your argument in a provocative way, which I usually appreciated when there's substance to it. To describe a a whole population as "stoopid", is, excuse me, plain stupid, unless it's used as as rhetorical device to enhance your point, which you don't really seem to be doing at all.

kyle said...

In the U.S. I think students are generally taught how to learn, so to speak -- especially at a university level.

Annje is right when she says that students in the U.S. are unprepared for the real world. In many ways that's true. But at the same time, U.S. students have the advantage of being able to work in any field if they're able to prove that they're smart and adaptable and are generally hired on to a job in a career field, not necessarily related to what they studied, assuming that they'll learn as they go. Obviously, I'm excluding extremely specialized professions like medicine and law.

In Chile, they are more prepared to work in the field that they specifically studied. But, I do think that many of those students are paralyzed in that field and wouldn't be able to(or would be too scared to) work in anything other than what they studied.

There are obviously huge benefits and huge downfalls to both systems.

Anonymous said...

Ms Annje:
Education in USA is based on money also...
If you do not have money to go to a good school or university, you just can not have good education...
Programs had been closed more and more every year..
Education in USA is a privilege ... it is not build to every body.
I have two teen in a university, one in high school the 3 of them all Ap classes, thanks to the "poor Chilean Argentinian education"
Teacher commented that my children are very smart, clever ... they are just normal kids with good foundations.
We had been traveling and studding in this countries all the time" when they were little" and we went to Chile and Argentina, they place my children in a lower class, I have to hired tutors so they can be at the same level. moving back to USA they place then in higher classes because of their grades and knowledge.
In USA education is a minimum effort system, every thing is done in a basic way, so the kids do not have to think.

Shark said...

Kyle: You pretty much summed up my sentiment in the line
I think students are generally taught how to learn whereas here, they are not. Right?

kyle said...

Yes, exactly. I wrote a blog post on the same subject a long time ago but I'm too lazy to look for it.

Annje said...

Mr.Anonymous: you seem to have misunderstood my comments, I was defending Chile's educational system, from what I have seen a good education Chile gives you a pretty good base.

As far as money is concerned, it is not the same in the US as in Chile. There are very good public schools here in the US (elementary/high school) that are "free" (if you don't consider property taxes if you have property) If you live in a nice neighborhood, chances are there is a good public school, and even if you live in a not-so-nice hood, there are other options (charter schools, transfers, scholarships to private schools etc.) There are very few good public schools in Chile--if you don't have money your options are very limited.

As far as univ goes, yes it costs money here, but if you don't have money in Chile, you don't go to univ. whereas here there are more options to finance (grants, scholarships, loans), options that are not available in Chile to many-if any. I had a regular public education, that was pretty decent. I don't come from money at all, and I have put myself through college and grad school--my parents didn't pay a cent. You can't do that easily if at all, in Chile.

Shark and Kyle: I know what you are getting at, and it is not that you are totally wrong (this is my opinion, of course), but I think we tend to judge our entire educational systems by how we turned out, or by the educational level of people we know. But looking at my university students here in the US, at a good school (not Harvard or anything, but top tier), I am not convinced AT ALL that our systems teach you how to learn or how to entertain complex thought (or even figure out 10% of your bill to leave a tip!). You two, many of the commenters here, or even myself if I may, are probably not representative of educational outcomes. Which is why I have protested a little ;-)

Shark: Glad to see you still have some bite.